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7/17/12
Original Poster
Google user

Fraudulent Copyright Claims

I would like to know why am I constantly having to prove myself to You Tube for my Love You Boy (with Anna) video??? I've been going through this with them for quite some time now!!! I HAVE PURCHASED A LICENSE TO USE THIS BEAT BACK IN SEPT OF 2011!!! You Tube claims that "Rumblefish" and "CD Baby" have copyright issues with me. I never heard of either one!!! I would also like to know if other people feel these claims are fraudulent and coming from YOU TUBE ITSELF!!!
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PeggyK
7/17/12
PeggyK
If the claims are incorrect, then dispute them. 

Note that many bands put their music on CD Baby and opt in to have their rights managed on YouTube by Rumblefish, without understanding the implications of that, so it might actually be a legitimate claim. 

If it keeps happening over and over, have you tried contacting the company you purchased the license through? They may be able to help you resolve this.
7/17/12
Original Poster
Google user
First of all, thank you for responding Peggy. Secondly, thank you for giving me SOMEWHAT OF AN IDEA OF WHAT CD BABY AND RUMBLEFISH ARE. (You Tube DID NOT!!!) It's like I have to search this stuff out myself. But it's funny how You Tube could quickly submit these claims to me, BUT NOT LET ME KNOW EXACTLY WHO RUMBLEFISH AND CD BABY ARE! And there's a few reasons why I'm starting to believe these claims are fraudulent AND COMING FROM YOU TUBE ITSELF. (Because A: I uploaded my video LOVE YOU BOY w/Anna in Sept of 2011!!! It's July 2012 now. How is it that You Tube is just now recently within a few months, HAVING THESE COPYRIGHT ISSUES??? When you FIRST upload your video, if there's content matched i.d. IT SHOWS UP IMMEDIATELY!!! B: I have a license for the "music" on this song THAT I WROTE, WHICH I'VE ATTACHED AND SENT TO YOU TUBE SEVERAL TIMES.) Not to mention, I have another video WITH THE EXACT SAME SONG!!! (A "live" version.) That You Tube claimed Rumblefish made a claim against that video. I disputed it. Hence, You Tube claims that Rumblefish released their claim to that video!!! (IT'S THE EXACT SAME SONG!!!) One is simply a live video recording, and the other is a picture video. It no longer seems as if this is a copyright issue from 3rd parties. IT'S STARTING TO VERY MUCH SEEM LIKE "YOU TUBE" ITSELF IS TRYING "SO HARD" TO NOT ENABLE MY VIDEO FOR MONETIZATION. And to answer your question, no I have not tried contacting the company which I purchased the license through. (Because You Tube has never stated that it was a copyright issue with that company. They only state Rumblefish and CD Baby.)
PeggyK
7/17/12
PeggyK
The claims are not coming from YouTube. Rumblefish and other content management companies upload a library of the music they manage and the Content ID system finds matches in uploaded videos. 

The Content ID system is constantly being updated with with content, and so it's possible that the music that matches your video was added to the Content ID system relatively recently. That could explain why new uploads are being flagged immediately - it takes longer for the Content ID system to run matches on older uploaded videos. 

If there are different videos with the same song, they may all end up with a Content ID match.

Your only option is to submit a dispute and Rumblefish should review it and release the claim if the match turns out to be incorrect.
7/17/12
Original Poster
Google user
Hopefully you are correct Peggy. Hopefully these claims are not coming from "You Tube" itself. But doesn't make much sense IF I HAVE 2 VIDEOS WITH THE EXACT SAME SONG, AND RUMBLEFISH ALREADY RELEASED A CLAIM TO MY LOVE YOU BOY (LIVE) VIDEO. (So I figure my LOVE YOU BOY W/ANNA video should never even be disputed.) Furthermore, on my copyright notice page, it reads: Rumblefish and CD Baby "HAVE RELEASED" their claims. YET MY VIDEO IS STILL NOT ENABLED FOR MONETIZATION??? It's like the dispute goes from one musical composition/song to another. AND NOW I HAVE TO WAIT UP UNTIL 8-16-12 FOR "THESE VERY SAME PEOPLE" TO REVIEW AND RELEASE AGAIN??? (When Rumblefish already released their claim to my LOVE YOU BOY "LIVE" video in like 1 or 2 days!!!) So now I have to wait up to a month for them to review and release "again" FOR THE EXACT SAME SONG, BUT DIFFERENT VIDEO??? I'm sorry but this seems very much bogus to me. VERY MUCH! But thanks for your help. And you are very well spoken!!! Perhaps you yourself should work for You Tube!
PeggyK
7/18/12
PeggyK
>> Furthermore, on my copyright notice page, it reads: Rumblefish and CD Baby "HAVE RELEASED" their claims. YET MY VIDEO IS STILL NOT ENABLED FOR MONETIZATION???

How long ago did they release the claim?

>> o now I have to wait up to a month for them to review and release "again" FOR THE EXACT SAME SONG, BUT DIFFERENT VIDEO???

I understand that must be really frustrating, but each video is treated independently.
MULLY5150
7/19/12
MULLY5150
Don't take it personal. There isn't someone sitting at a computer going over your videos and flagging them willy nilly. It's an algorithm in the system that picks these things up, then you get an automated message from YouTube, just like the rest of us.

Sad thing is this Rumblefish is a tricky little fkr. They have artists that sample pieces out of iMovie then they lay claim to it, which in turn gets us flagged. Luckily, with iMovie at least, you can dispute the claim with a link to iMovie's TOS. It's real sneaky how some of these music companies are working.

If it makes you feel any better, I have a series of 5 videos on my channel showing how to change guitar strings. I used the exact same music in each video and uploaded them all within hours of each other. 2 of them got flagged for third party matches and the other 3, to this day, at least a year later, are still going strong. Go figure. The system isn't perfect. We can only hope that it gets better as time goes by. I know it's a hassle but you just have to be patient and try not to take it personally.

As we all know, the recent figures show that close to 80 hours of video are uploaded each minute on YouTube. There is no way on this earth that they can field a staff large enough to check each and every video going up. They have to rely on their algorithms. Unfortunately we get the sht end of the stick on that at times, but it is what it is. I'm with you 110% on YouTube never saying anything about anything. Changes are made, videos are taken down, adsense accounts are revoked, and all we get is an automated response that doesn't help us one bit. But, this falls into the staff situation again. There are too many videos and too many members for them to be able to give personal care to each and every one of us.

Keep your chin up, brother.
poolboyfilms
7/19/12
poolboyfilms
I have Content ID. What if I claim music I licensed through websites but don't enable it to find matches on others videos?
Is it possible for my stuff to get hit with Content ID matches even if I have also claimed the audio?
7/19/12
Original Poster
Google user
Thank u. I appreciate your response. I'm trying my best not to take it personal. But after an ongoing battle for almost 3 months, this is getting very frustrating!!! I've been fighting this battle with You Tube since 4-26-12!!! That's shameful!!! I've proved I have a license to use the beat in my song. I provided You Tube with the link to rockitpro's website. (the company where I purchased my license.) AND EVEN COPY-PASTED WHAT IT READS ON THE VERY BOTTOM OF ROCKITPRO'S WEBSITE. PROVING EVEN MORE THAT "I DO" HV COMMERCIAL USE RIGHTS. So it will lead to another claim/issue with Rumblefish or CD Baby. Rumblefish released their claims twice!!! Cd Baby released once. (ONE WOULD THINK YEAH VICTORY!!! NOW I COULD HV MY VIDEO FINALLY MONEITIZED!!!) WRONG!!! Then it's back to SQUARE 1 again!!! You Tube stating that my license does not hv sufficient COMMERCIAL use rights. IT'S LIKE WOW!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS??? FOR 3 MONTHS WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH!!! Not to mention, the sad part about all of it is these issues themselves ARE NEVER WITH ROCKITPRO!!! That's why I'm starting to believe that these claims are fraudulent AND COMING FROM YOU TUBE itself!!! Too much back and forth!!! And I've proved myself several times!!!
PeggyK
7/19/12
PeggyK
>>  I provided You Tube with the link to rockitpro's website. (the company where I purchased my license.) AND EVEN COPY-PASTED WHAT IT READS ON THE VERY BOTTOM OF ROCKITPRO'S WEBSITE. PROVING EVEN MORE THAT "I DO" HV COMMERCIAL USE RIGHTS. 

The problem is that you don't need to convince YouTube so much as convince Rumblefish.

Have you contacted Rockitpro to tell them that music they are licensing for use on YouTube is being claimed by a 3rd Party? They may be able to do something about it.
7/19/12
Original Poster
Google user
Thanks Peggy. The claims have been released from Rumblefish on both of my videos!!! Then by Cd Baby too!!! So it's like back to SQUARE 1 with You Tube!!! Now they're back stating my license does not have sufficient COMMERCIAL rights use. This has been an ongoing battle since 4-26-12!!! Very frustrating and quite annoying and VERY INSULTING!!! (So now I've simply taken YOUR advice and FINALLY contacted Rockitpro themselves.) Hopefully this CLEARS ALL THE DRAMA UP!!! But when I copy-pasted and provided You Tube with exactly what it reads at the very bottom of rockitpros website: For "commercial" or profitable use of "any kind," a $24.99 beat license is required and grants you the rights to record a song over one of our beats. (That should have been acceptable enough from You Tube!!) But like I said, I'll take your advice and go the Rockitpro route. Thank you again.
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V. Valiant
3/6/13
V. Valiant
Hi, I have the same problem, and need some advice
Only I am an music producer and all my content is created by myself originally no samples used whatsoever, music, video & artwork etc I create/synthesize them from scratch.
no 3rd party bought licenses, other than my software production tools in my studio which I purchased legally with their license to use of course.
 
I've had a claim from cd-baby stating a match, that I disputed in november 2012, and within 1-2weeks time I got a message that my content was approved.
now march 2013 status is still "monitoring for possible review" instead of "monetized"
other videos it states they're being monetized, although I'm not fully a youtube partner as I don't have an adsense account. They pay out only when you're on both I've read. And when accumulated enough revenue for youtube, they'll notice/present you with an adsense account, and paying out a bonus of what they have accumulated so far of your videos.
 
Today I uploaded something entirely new, fresh from mastering, and got a claim from cd baby again, of course again I dispute the claim
and on neither occasions does it even remotely relate to my content.
 
So do I keep disputing claims to everything that I upload that triggers a match?
That means forgetting about monetizing my videos altogether.
or could you advice me in other ways. is there a guide somewhere that explains the procedure for publishing your original work on youtube?
And most importantly if I disputed a claim, to content I hold the rights to, can they delete my video or channel? if this happens what would you advice me to do, start a new youtube channel, with a new mailbox, and re-upload them?
 
Any help or feedback will be appreciated,
Thank you for you're time ;)
Sincerely, V
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