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1/7/14
Original Poster
Google user

Negative SEO Implications

I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 
My URL is: goldenservices.com

This isn't my first post about this problem, but I have a couple of specific questions.  (Please spare me the abuse of blaming me for my problems and/or accusing me of doing this myself. It's not helpful.)

1.  Has anything changed in recent months in terms of possible solutions for negative SEO (specifically spammy backlinks)?  Is the only "solution" still a disavow file?  Does anyone know of ANY way to find out where the links are being generated from?  Is it possible to track the links back to a specific spamming server and maybe find out who is doing it?

2.  If I don't have any manual actions against me, are the algorithmic penalties domain wide?  Is every keyword and every page on my site going to suffer?  Or is it generally specific to the page and/or keyword(s) that have the unnatural amount of backlinks? 

Thanks, Rob


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terry name
1/7/14
terry name
Not likely.
 
" (Please spare me
the abuse of blaming me for my
problems and/or accusing me of doing
this myself. It's not helpful.)"
 
Its reality. Because negative seo don't exist. If you've walked in bad neighborhoods then google will associate you accordingly.
 
1: as mentioned above, its your previous spam that got you associated.
 
Next question.
 
2: first you ask "If I don't have any manual actions
against me, are the algorithmic
penalties domain wide?"
 
And I say yes and no, depending what they filtered or found.
 
Next.
 
You ask
 
"Is every
keyword and every page on my site
going to suffer?"
 
No, It depends on what you spammed. At times, only certain keywords.
 
And then you ask.
 
"Or is it generally
specific to the page and/or keyword(s)
that have the unnatural amount of
backlinks?"
 
You getting close. But always remembering when it becomes excessive, they dump your site.
KORPG Kevin
1/7/14
KORPG Kevin
There are no such things as algorithmic penalties. Google ranks the content on your site accordingly based on a myriad of factors.
If you have no manual actions, then your content is ranking where the algo says it should rank.

If a site isn't doing as well in the SERPS as you'd like, perhaps you should review this article:

1/7/14
Original Poster
Google user
I was at the top of the results before October and then basically disappeared after the Penguin update in early October.  So I consider that an algorithmic penalty.

As I found out last time, nobody on this site is willing to acknowledge negative SEO, which means it's impossible for me to get any help.  Comments like this in the article you linked certainly doesn't help: "There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index".  My experience says otherwise.  Do you think I wanted 96,000 spammy backlinks to my site added in the last week?

Anyway, I was just hoping to get specific answers to my two questions.  Anyone?

Thanks, Rob
Lysis
1/7/14
Lysis
>> Please spare me the abuse of blaming me for my problems and/or accusing me of doing this myself. It's not helpful.

We could say the same and ask you to spare us the "competitor did it" line.
Ben  Griffiths
1/7/14
Ben Griffiths
1.  Has anything changed in recent months in terms of possible solutions for negative SEO (specifically spammy backlinks)?  Is the only "solution" still a disavow file?  Does anyone know of ANY way to find out where the links are being generated from?  Is it possible to track the links back to a specific spamming server and maybe find out who is doing it?

If you disavow spammy links then Google will treat them as if they were NOFOLLOW, so that's the best solution possible. They won't pass PageRank.

 
2.  If I don't have any manual actions against me, are the algorithmic penalties domain wide?  Is every keyword and every page on my site going to suffer?  Or is it generally specific to the page and/or keyword(s) that have the unnatural amount of backlinks? 

Google is not malicious, as far as anyone knows. At least I hope not, now they have robotic dogs. Any 'penalty' will merely be the devaluing of artificial links, most evident following any update to the algorithm responsible for identifying these, aka 'Penguin'. This is your experience, no?
Theresa S
1/7/14
Theresa S
Negative SEO has become a buzzword that is nothing more then a crutch when things go wrong.

The problem is many websites hired "SEO" services, putting their trust in a process that was nothing more than spammy link building..  comment posting, directory submissions, etc. And when the site gets busted, the owner ia left to pay the price of the algo penalty - but at the same time, they are 100% responsible for who they hired.  

Spam begets spam, and that's when the website owners start to cry foul. No, they didn't place a link on THAT site, but they hired the company that dropped links on 100+ sites that have now spawned thousands more.

terry name
1/7/14
terry name
No Ben, I disagree with you when you say:
 
"If you disavow spammy links then Google will treat them as if they were NOFOLLOW, so that's the best solution possible. They won't pass PageRank
"
 
Its simply a suggestion, and most definitely not guaranteed or for that matter, a tool for the spammers to get out of the crap.
 
If it works your way, I hand in my resignation!!
1/7/14
Original Poster
Google user
Hi Lysis.  I was thinking of you when I wrote that.  Glad to see you're as helpful as ever.

Theresa - I have never hired anyone to do SEO or any marketing on my behalf.  These links aren't being generated by me or anyone in my employ or any way associated with me.

Ben - thanks for the response.  That isn't exactly my experience. I had some good links and good SERP results.  So if they were only devaluing the artificial links, I wouldn't have dropped out of the results completely, right?  It would have maintained the status quo from before the artificial links were added.  So I would argue that I was definitely penalized.  I'm just trying to figure out if it would affect a completely different key word, on a completely different page, but still on the "penalized" domain.

Thanks, Rob
Ben  Griffiths
1/7/14
Ben Griffiths
 I'm just trying to figure out if it would affect a completely different key word, on a completely different page, but still on the "penalized" domain.

This data should be in your analytics package, eg http://3qdigital.com/experience/diagnosing-traffic-drop/
Lysis
1/7/14
Lysis
--Hi Lysis.  I was thinking of you when I wrote that.  Glad to see you're as helpful as ever.


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StevieD_Web
1/10/14
StevieD_Web
That is as good as it gets.

WMT will post an email tomorrow that you submitted a disavow file.  Don't panic, the email will say 0 and 0.  For whatever reason there is a disconnect between the disavow file and the email such that information is not shared.  It is still good.
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