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8/29/18
Original Poster
William Usher

Articles No Longer Appear In GNews Even Though Site Is Still Verified

Greetings.

Our site no longer seems to display articles in the GNews feed for the general public after August 19th, 2018.


The site was verified for inclusion in GNews several years ago, with several sections crawled each day for content. In the webmaster and Google News Publishing tools It shows that the sitemap index for the GNews content is feeding URLs to the search engines.





But if you attempt to search up any of the articles from the sections included in the GNews section, nothing shows up in the GNews section at all. I noticed that we haven't had any views/hits from Google News since August 19th.

For instance, our site is the only one reporting on a specific, exclusive topic about Arkane Studios. If you search for a part of the headline on the general search engine it'll return One Angry Gamer at the top of the search on the first page:

However, if you click on the "News" tab, nothing shows up from the site, even though it's in the appropriate section:

The only way you'll see that headline in the GNews section is if you explicitly type: "site:oneangrygamer.net" and check the news feeds, otherwise it never shows up at all; almost as if all the news content is filtered out.

Is there any reason why the site is still verified and included in GNews, and shows up fine in the index, but none of the actual news feeds show up in the GNews section unless you explicitly type (and only type) "site:oneangrygamer.net"?

Thanks,


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8/29/18
Original Poster
William Usher
Just as an addendum. This is what the example looks like if you go to the news section using the headline I described in the first post:


Yet the only way the content appears is if you use the site prefix in the news section, as demonstrated in the image below:

However, none of the news stories listed under the site:oneangrygamer.net term appear in the news section, nor do any of the news stories from the approved GNews sections of the site appear in Google News.

StevieD_Web
8/29/18
StevieD_Web
I found this in your /news section


There is an incomplete author name, no headshot and a very weak bio.

The primary image in the article lacks any form of image attribution.


Accountability, Trustworthiness, Transparency.   Those are the 3 key phrases for Google News these days. 


The article itself is informational at best. 




wash/rinse/repeat.

Two consecutive informational articles.


 Informational articles should never account for more than 1 out of 100 or 200 articles in a serious news site.  And that is two  consecutive.



>Is there any reason why the site is still verified and included in GNews, and shows up fine in the index, but none of the actual news feeds show up in the GNews section unless you explicitly type

The Google News algorithms are tightening up.  It is possible (and probable) the Accountability, Trustworthiness, Transparency issues are kicking the site in the shins and will continue to do so.



StevieD.

Google News TC
8/29/18
Original Poster
William Usher
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply, but those two articles aren't in the approved news sections of the site. As noted in the Sitemap for our news, and the Google News Publishing section, only the articles from these sections are fed into the GNews section:

The articles you picked out are informational articles, but as I pointed out in the screenshot, those articles aren't part of the verified GNews section:

"Informational articles should never account for more than 1 out of 100 or 200 articles in a serious news site. And that is two consecutive."


This is correct, but those articles aren't submitted to the GNews sitemap feed. If what you said applied to all sites equally, then IGN, Gamespot, Game Informer, and VG 24/7 would no longer appear in GNews since they produce far more information content than "serious news".

"The Google News algorithms are tightening up. It is possible (and probable) the Accountability, Trustworthiness, Transparency issues are kicking the site in the shins and will continue to do so."

Right, and this would apply to the informational articles, but I specifically gave the example of the article about Arkane Studios, which is not an informational article, it is in the appropriate section, and it still doesn't appear in the GNews feed, as pictured below. 




I duly appreciate the response, but is it possible we could keep the conversation and troubleshooting related to the examples provided and the topic matter of the sections and articles that are actually approved for Google News?
StevieD_Web
8/29/18
StevieD_Web
You weren't specific what sections were submitted and I didn't read the graphic, so I assumed all of /news was inclusive.

That said, the same issues apply to this article as the others


There is an incomplete author name, no headshot and a very weak bio.

And the primary image in the article lacks any form of image attribution.


Accountability, Trustworthiness, Transparency.   Those are the 3 key phrases for Google News these days. 


Digging into the next layer, 

The about page is interesting (good).  The contact page lacks anything from the physical world, specifically a published landline telephone number and verified/registered physical business address.  While your site isn't YMYL (your money, your life), the physical contact points are becoming increasingly important for general search issues and more so for Google News.  In fact sites will seldom be approved for Google News these days without physical contact points.   Which also means the physical documentation is becoming increasingly important for sites which are currently approved.


>the sections and articles that are actually approved for Google News?

Fair enough.

That said, just remember the entire site is subject to examination in terms of Accountability, transparency and Trust.  I didn't spot any screaming red flags in the main navigation bar, but Googlebot does dig deeper/faster than I can.
StevieD_Web
8/29/18
StevieD_Web
PS

Typo

Arkane Studios is going though an identity crisis.
8/29/18
Original Poster
William Usher
Thanks for a quick response, Steve. It's quite informative and very helpful. Also, thanks for spotting the typo (*fixed).

the physical contact points are becoming increasingly important for general search issues and more so for Google News.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, for the time being we won't be able to provide physical contact information due to certain politically motivated groups targeting the site and its staff. For safety reasons certain forms of personal identifying information is prohibited from being published on the site.

In fact sites will seldom be approved for Google News these days without physical contact points.   Which also means the physical documentation is becoming increasingly important for sites which are currently approved.

Thanks for this. I was unaware that it played such an important role in the approval process.

I do have one last question, since you've been helpful thus far: does this mean that the site will simply have all of its Gnews-approved content filtered from actually appearing on GNews from now on?

Thanks,
StevieD_Web
8/29/18
StevieD_Web
Is possible that some articles will be extracted   In addition the pendulum of Accountability, Transparency etc could swing the other way and your site will suddenly rank extremely well for every article published.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Think of scoring News sites as a possible perfect score of 100 and you must score 70 to be approved for GN, 60 to maintain your approval (in other words some quality slippage can occur), 75 for your articles to rank and 80 for your articles rank well. 

The 60/slippage issue is why applying sites can't compare themselves to currently approved sites because 60 isn't good enough to be approved.

Just doing 70, approval, isn't enough to rank.  And definitely not good enough to rank well.


And all the stuff I mentioned is worth 20 points.


You don't need "everything" but you need something.


So start with the easiest (ie full names for authors) and then upgrade the bios.  Each step adds a few points and maybe kicks your site above whatever threshold you need to cross.   Maybe you don't need headshots.  Maybe you do.


Image attribution is worth 10 points in my theoretical ranking system, why don't you credit the source for every image and see if 10 points is what you need?




>Unfortunately, for the time being we won't be able to provide physical contact information due to certain politically motivated groups targeting the site and its staff. For safety reasons certain forms of personal identifying information is prohibited from being published on the site.


And your country of origin is what, North Korea?

You are a gamer site.  Not a site about political dissent or leaking military secrets.  And even those sites have contact information or provide visible middlemen for points of contact. 


But lets do everything but a physical point of contact and the site still doesn't rank well, you know the next step.  Or maybe the intermediary steps are enough.
8/30/18
Original Poster
William Usher
Thanks for the input Steve. I should note that it's not that our content isn't "ranking well", it's that it's not showing up at all.

If -- going by your theoretical ranking system -- our site has somehow dropped into the 60 or below rating, shouldn't the content at least appear on any of the pages after 5 - 10? In this case, the content is not even being ranked at all, as the content doesn't even show up in GNews, but it is being crawled by the bots and it does show up only if you explicitly type: site:oneangrygamer.net.

There are other sites still featured on GNews even under basic search terms for games or content or headlines, such as TechRaptor or Niche Gamer, and neither of them have physical points of contact, nor feature image attributes. TechRaptor, however, does have headshots for most of their contributors: https://techraptor.net/techraptor-staff

So, I suppose the question is: why is the content from One Angry Gamer not ranked at all? I would definitely be okay with low rankings, but if you do a direct headline search of any of our articles from the approved sections, the article doesn't even pop up in any capacity on GNews. For example, if you type in: VG 24/7 Deputy Editor Kirk McKeand Engages In Public Transphobia Over Arkane Studios Article

This is what pops up on GNews:

Now you will get a search result, but the search result loops back to the basic Google search, and the GNews result will show 0 results, as pictured below.


So basically, the content isn't even being ranked in GNews. It's the equivalent of if the site isn't approved at all, even though it is.

So let's say we do add real profile shots for staff (and some of our staff do have real photos, by the way) and image attribution (and some of our articles do feature attribution when they aren't press shots), how could it raise the GNews rank when the content isn't ranked at all?

Additionally, I suppose I'm just wondering why the site simply didn't get rejected or removed if it no longer meets the Google News standards to even have any of the articles appear publicly in any capacity on GNews outside of literally typing in site:oneangrygamer.net?

It's like the site is there in GNews, but literally no one can see it.
Team IRN Post
8/30/18
Team IRN Post
Same issue facing.
8/30/18
Original Poster
William Usher
Hey Team IRN, what's your website address?
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hakan aman
10/24/18
hakan aman
Hello friends,

I have had the same problem since March 2018.

major sites in Turkey, probably in the front row at all the major sites around the world.

My site real estate news site. More than 80 percent of our news is private and original. The rest is a little kopa (press release, agency news but changing.)

I e-mailed the news team and told me that it was no problem and they could not intervene in search side.

I'm not sure what we're going to do, but we've been working patiently. Maybe one day...

latest mail this:

"Hello,

Thanks for writing in.

I understand your concern about the appearance of your site's content in Google News. I'd be happy to help.

I've checked your site details and it's good to see that we are crawling several articles from your site at frequent intervals. Please see here.

To check how your articles are being displayed in our news index yourself, you can run a site: search [site:www.emlakpencerem.com] on the Google News homepage.

Additionally, please share the Producer URL of your edition in Google News so that I can look into the same and investigate further.

I look forward to your reply. Thanks for your understanding on this matter.
Best regards,
Kamal
The Google News Team"


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