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1/9/18
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Brinley Williams

It's lonely on the last page of Google

In May lat year I combined 4 of my websites into one on a new domain (as suggested by John Mueller in one of his hangouts). The old websites had a number of bad back links to them so I decided to disavow them all with the aim of starting from scratch. I did 301 redirect all the old sites to the new one.
The new website, in my opinion, is well optimised and I have worked very hard at building quality relevant links to the new site.

Unfortunately 9 months on and I am still on the last page of google for the majority of the high traffic keywords I used to rank highly for. Since I have never received a manual penalty I have to assume I am still being penalised algorithmically. (not sure that's even a word.)

It has to be said that its getting quite tiring sitting waiting for something positive to take place. I know that John mentioned it can take between 6 -12 months for a site to recover from bad backlinks but surely if you undertake positive action it should show even a little reward? Also it would be nice if you do receive a penalty from Google's algorithm that it is flagged in GWT like a manual penalty.

Anyway gripe over - if anyone has some positive advice from a similar experience or can shed some light on any of this it would be greatly appreciated.
Light at the end of the tunnel and all that.

Cheers
Brinley

 
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barryhunter
1/9/18
barryhunter
From what I understand, Google doesn't really have 'algorithmic penalties'. They just 'neutralize' the benefits would get. So rather than 'deducting 10 points' for say having some bad links, they just 'ignore' the bad links, so the contribute nothing to the ranking of the site. zero. 

This is a subtle difference, but may help focus your attention. Rather than worrying about negative effects. Should think about what you missing out on. 


So dont worry about what 'bad' links may of had in the past, focus on getting new 'good' ones. (just dont be tempted to get them illegitimately!)


1/9/18
Original Poster
Brinley Williams
Hi Barry
Hmmm! Not sure about Google not having an algorithmic penalty - John uses the "6-12 months to get back on track" term quite often and I have first hand experience from 2013 when one of my keywords got hit by the first Penguin Algo and it remained out the rankings for exactly 1 year.

Also your suggestion of not worrying about the negative effects is somewhat blase since  being on the last age of google is rather a negative experience for an eCommerce business. And as I mentioned I have worked really hard at acquiring lots of good quality relevant links - more than I originally disavowed as it happens. But they have had zero effect.

On top of this - my  rankings outside Google  for things like MozRabk, Trust Flow, Citation flow & domain authority are as good as my competitiors. And in some cases much better.

So from where i'm sitting... if it looks like a penalty



Rich Barrett
1/9/18
Rich Barrett
I have worked very hard at building quality relevant links to the new site.

I am quite worried by this statement, building links is against Google guidelines - Google doesn't typically apply a penalty (except for egregious examples) but it can and will just ignore your links if it thinks they were not gained organically.  
barryhunter
1/9/18
barryhunter

Hmmm! Not sure about Google not having an algorithmic penalty - John uses the "6-12 months to get back on track" term quite often

Maybe an analogy would help :)

... an 'penalty' would be like a gorilla sitting on your chest, preventing you getting up. 

... whereas actully been sick, and have become weak, so just can't get out of bed due to lack of strength. 


Rather than waiting (or persuading!) for the Gorilla to leave. Just need to work on increasing strength so can get up. The Gorilla is imaginary. 


 
(ok not a great analogy, but best could think of). 

 
And as I mentioned I have worked really hard at acquiring lots of good quality relevant links


As mentioned thats concerning. 


But there is much more than just links. 

 
1/9/18
Original Poster
Brinley Williams
Hi Rich
Not really feeling the love it has to be said.

I am more than aware of Google guidelines - this knowledge is standard when you spend ages trying to figure out why your site has tanked.

To clarify - the links I have "acquired" are from standard stuff like Gust Posts I have done, from Blogger who have done product reviews, online articles and I have even written a Ebook which is free to read on the website.

Hopefully you are no longer worried.
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Rich Barrett
1/18/18
Rich Barrett
it's not a problem as of such - Google just can't read that text on your image so it's not seeing what you have written
 
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