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11/27/13
Original Poster
Mark Vegas

Unable to find all my unnatural links after using WMT and MajesticSEO?

I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 

1.  I received a list of all my inbound links through majestic SEO, I then pulled out the real inbound links and submitted the rest through the disavow tool. I requested a reconsideration of our manual action.

2. 10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list and resubmitted them. I then requested another reconsideration of our manual action.

3. 10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list.

4. Then I went to GWT and received their list of all the inbound links. I again pulled out the ones that were authentic inbound links and submitted the rest to the disavow tool.  I then requested another reconsideration of our manual action.

5.  10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list and resubmitted for another reconsideration to remove the manual action.

If google comes back with more unnatural links I can keep adding them to the disavow list and resubmitting, but for all I know google could have hundreds of links stored that are unnatural for our site and if I am only given 3 at a time and it takes around 10 days to receive each one the manual action on our site will take years to be lifted.

I really made some bad mistakes when it comes to link wheels, article directories, article spinning....etc. I am working really hard to clean all the links up, have emailing tons of webmasters trying to get links removed and it seems like there is this list of inbound links that is not on the latest update on WMT (as I submitted my website directly after I received the list of inbound links from WMT) nor on other inbound link searches such as majesticSEO.

I realize google updates the inbound links list, but I added the links to the disavow list almost immediately after receiving the list from WMT and put my site up for reconsideration right away. On top of that to go through thousands of links and pull out the few that are real inbound links is very time consuming.

If more unnatural links keep getting added to my WMT inbound links list after I submit my site for reconsideration I am unsure of what I can do to remove the manual action?

Any advice from anyone who has been in this situation would be greatly appreciated. I am extremely mad at myself for making such stupid mistakes with creating these unnatural inbound links and am very sorry. I would really appreciate any guidance on what I can do?

Thank you very much in advance for your help! :)

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Lysis
11/27/13
Lysis
If you do it like that where you only remove a few at a time, you might be reducing your chances, because it looks like you're trying to figure out the system. Better to just do it right the first time and hack away at links.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:49:56 AM UTC-5, Mark Vegas wrote:
I've read the FAQs and searched the help center. 

1.  I received a list of all my inbound links through majestic SEO, I then pulled out the real inbound links and submitted the rest through the disavow tool. I requested a reconsideration of our manual action.

2. 10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list and resubmitted them. I then requested another reconsideration of our manual action.

3. 10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list.

4. Then I went to GWT and received their list of all the inbound links. I again pulled out the ones that were authentic inbound links and submitted the rest to the disavow tool.  I then requested another reconsideration of our manual action.

5.  10 days later google came back saying I have more unnatural links. I then added the three links they gave me to the disavow list and resubmitted for another reconsideration to remove the manual action.

If google comes back with more unnatural links I can keep adding them to the disavow list and resubmitting, but for all I know google could have hundreds of links stored that are unnatural for our site and if I am only given 3 at a time and it takes around 10 days to receive each one the manual action on our site will take years to be lifted.

I really made some bad mistakes when it comes to link wheels, article directories, article spinning....etc. I am working really hard to clean all the links up, have emailing tons of webmasters trying to get links removed and it seems like there is this list of inbound links that is not on the latest update on WMT (as I submitted my website directly after I received the list of inbound links from WMT) nor on other inbound link searches such as majesticSEO.

I realize google updates the inbound links list, but I added the links to the disavow list almost immediately after receiving the list from WMT and put my site up for reconsideration right away. On top of that to go through thousands of links and pull out the few that are real inbound links is very time consuming.

If more unnatural links keep getting added to my WMT inbound links list after I submit my site for reconsideration I am unsure of what I can do to remove the manual action?

Any advice from anyone who has been in this situation would be greatly appreciated. I am extremely mad at myself for making such stupid mistakes with creating these unnatural inbound links and am very sorry. I would really appreciate any guidance on what I can do?

Thank you very much in advance for your help! :)

11/27/13
Original Poster
Mark Vegas
Thanks for your reply Lysis.

I have disavowed pretty much the entire list of inbound links that I received from MajesticSEO and WMT. Then I submitted our site for a reconsideration.

The issue seems to be that google has links that are unnatural but they are not listed in Majestic SEO or GWT. It is quite challenging as I am not sure where to find these links as all the unnatural link building that I did was over 2 years ago and haven't done any since. I feel as if I am chasing a moving target as besides disavowing the links from majesticseo and gwt I am not sure where to find those "additional" unnatural links that google shows me each type I submit our site for reconsideration?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
ets
11/27/13
ets
I received a list of all my inbound links through majestic SEO, I then pulled out the real inbound links and submitted the rest through the disavow tool. I requested a reconsideration of our manual action.

Are you actually cleaning up (removing/nofollowing) the problem links or just adding them straight to the disavow list (which is what it sounds like from your question)? If only the latter, it's not enough to get your manual action lifted. You have to try to clean up the links before disavowing. You can clean up and disavow in parallel, as JohnMu has said:

While it's really important for the web-spam team when processing the reconsideration request to see significant effort put into resolving the issue at its roots (on those external sites), it can also be a good practice to at least have those sites listed in your disavow file in the meantime (use them in parallel, don't get bogged down with contact requests before adding them).

The "significant effort" you have to make is spelled out clearly here by our colleague Sasch:


11/27/13
Original Poster
Mark Vegas
Hi Ets,

Thanks for your post. I absolutely have contacted the webmasters. I estimate I have spent around 100 hours contacting them as we initially had around 28,000 sites we can to go through to view the unnatural links. It was an extremely time consuming and expensive process. In our submission to google for the reconsideration we provide a unique response to each website that has an unnatural link and what we did to try to remove it and whether the site has a contact us page or the webmaster got back to us and removed it.

We have been working very hard to remove every single link as I would say to date between our staff and my time have spent close to 200 hours now trying to find this moving target. :)

We went through all the unnatural links and visited each website to see if there was a contact us page, if the website still existed or directly contact the website. Then whatever was left over from the links that the webmasters didn't remove or we could not find a way to contact the webmasters we submitted that to the disavow list. The issue is google keeps finding new unnatural links that weren't there when we received the list of inbound links from GWT and majestic SEO?

I am at a loss as to what to do? lol

I appreciate your reply and suggestion :)
Michael  Wechsler
11/27/13
Michael Wechsler
While I hear the effort you're putting in, Google has given the impression that they know cleanup will be harder than making the mess. They seem to feel it's commensurate to the pain inflicted on other webmasters who have played by the rules (and resulted in lower rankings for an extended time period) and in thwarting Google's efforts to prevent site owners from defying the rules. Probably best you know that the sympathy level of your audience at Google will probably be low - they seem to be more results oriented.

Regarding the contact info, try the domain WHOIS information and contact the domain owner. If it's a proxy, they still list a contact email address which will relay emails.
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Michael  Wechsler
12/4/13
Michael Wechsler
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:29:53 PM UTC-5, SSR_ wrote:
Sounds exactly like my battle now.  I'm a in house SEO/Int. Marketer now dealing with a manual action from the old tactics they did before my time like you did.

I spent WEEKS and WEEKS cleaning up links, contacting webmasters, etc. and documented it all in a very long reconsideration request.  Each time I get these mystery 3 links like you are... of which I can't find using any good tools... it's driving me insane.

My problem is, it's not a site wide manual action, but they slammed my website in the SERPS right after it arrived.... what the heck? 

I hear ya. But if you're getting paid, then it should be the client who is having a problem and should be going insane. ;) From my perspective, the job of an SEO is to continue to do what needs to be done until Google says the job is done. Many seem to imply to a client that they can get results within a time period and are frustrated when it may not happen.

Some sites have been gaming the system for a very long time and reaped benefits at the expense of others. It's difficult to argue that any of this is unfair, especially if it's just WEEKS.  And if the site doesn't have a list of the sites it created spammy backlinks, then you're just continuing to be paid to clean up as you're provided the information. If it's more than you've been able to find, then it's just par for this course of recovery.
 
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